Something coming in March

"Mark M, post: 134253, member: 5058" said:

I think I should have stated that the rest of the figure looks great, it's just that mistake on the helmet is wrong and when the rest of the figure is so cartoon accurate there really is no reason why the helmet should not also be correct to the animation design. It's a bit frustrating that unlike the various other "Ultimates" figures Thundercats always seems to be the one that needs to have fans point out various mistakes on pretty much every wave of figures.
Since the start of the Thundercat's Ultimates line, even the Mattel Classics figures, they were not going for the hybrid style of the MOTUC which were a mix vintage toy, minicomic and cartoon etc. So there really is no point in saying they are doing a hybrid of cartoon and LJN toys. In fact if I am not mistaken I believe the only nod to the LJN toys has been the inclussion of Mumm-Ra's staff and Grune's knucle dusters.

Not everyone agrees that there are “various mistakes on pretty much every wave of figures” so this is all up to ones own perspective I guess, or pehaps acceptance of what is fine in one’s own point of view. Maybe that is where the difference comes in regarding our opinions. And that’s ok. I know Brian detailed the direction of the toys in his last interview with ToyAddict26.

There are however quite a few nods to the LJN figures/hybrid theme that I mentioned before and you brought one up earlier: Lynx-O’s feet are not cartoon inspired but toy inspired. His weapon is also a mix of toon and toy. Slithe and Vultureman also have weapons from their LJN counterparts. And Lion-O’s original Mattel clawshield had that same texture as on the toy. Jaga coming with the SOO is also a nice nod to his LJN release. So while the main aim is to have them look as close as possible to the toon, there are elements from the toys that slip in here and there. Not drastic, just randomly what works for S7. I don’t mind that at all. That may be why I am “sensitive” when a new figure comes out and instead of reading that others are excited about it I see negative reactions; which saddens me because I for one fought very long for many years to have this line be rescued from oblivion and I don’t want it to fail or stop abruptly again before we at least get a great collection.

"Sebastiaan, post: 134255, member: 25673" said:

Not everyone agrees that there are “various mistakes on pretty much every wave of figures” so this is all up to ones own perspective I guess, or pehaps acceptance of what is fine in one’s own point of view. Maybe that is where the difference comes in regarding our opinions. And that’s ok. I know Brian detailed the direction of the toys in his last interview with ToyAddict26.

There are however quite a few nods to the LJN figures/hybrid theme that I mentioned before and you brought one up earlier: Lynx-O’s feet are not cartoon inspired but toy inspired. His weapon is also a mix of toon and toy. Slithe and Vultureman also have weapons from their LJN counterparts. And Lion-O’s original Mattel clawshield had that same texture as on the toy. Jaga coming with the SOO is also a nice nod to his LJN release. So while the main aim is to have them look as close as possible to the toon, there are elements from the toys that slip in here and there. Not drastic, just randomly what works for S7. I don’t mind that at all. That may be why I am “sensitive” when a new figure comes out and instead of reading that others are excited about it I see negative reactions; which saddens me because I for one fought very long for many years to have this line be rescued from oblivion and I don’t want it to fail or stop abruptly again before we at least get a great collection.

It's not about anyone having to agree, it's an absolute fact there have been mistakes in every wave. And that's in both prototype and production!
That is why 4 Horsemen have had to de-do sculpts and Super 7 have "allgedly" had so many delays and even had to issue "booster" repair packs.
In the lastest wave of figures that went up for pre-order they had correct Hammerhand's trunks which were the wrong colour. And Vultureman looks massive compared to everyone else.
It's also why Wave 2 and Cheetara are delayed.

I would also just like to correct you on Lynxo's feet. They are not toy inspired they are just wrong. In the cartoon Lynxo looks to be wearing a type of Jika-tabi footwear and the vintage LJN toy has some sculpted detail to simulate that look. Granted the sculpt is rather subtle and not as defined as it really should be but the detail is still sculpted o his feet. The use of the wrong feet is just laziness or a mistake...much like his odd proportions and shoulder placement.

As for Lion-O's clawshield, the awful Mattel fur sculpted clawshield wasn't toy inspired as it lacked the smoooth area like the vintage toy. It was just an awful design making the clawshield furry that some people have been doing since the awful WildStorm comics. If they were going to taking any inspiration form the LJN toy they should have sculpted it in proportion instead of being so oversized.

It's great you fought to get the line brought back but you really have to understand that while you may be happy enough with them, some fans have higher standards and so far the majority of these figures really are not up to some peoples standards, especially at the price Super 7 is charging for these figures which people have the "privilege" of buying.
While it's cool the line was brought back, it's a real shame that Super 7 were the company to bring it back as so far they have done a pretty subpar job on the majority of the figures they have released, from odd design choices, out of proportion bucks, wrong colours, numerous quality control issues and delays. Which is a real shame as Brian seems a cool guy. But it's quite frustrating to see what they are doing with Thundercats when they are putting so much more effort into the other Ultimates lines....except for maybe Conan, those figures are a mess.
For example who is more popular and iconic character, Lion-O or that weird alligator robot the Decepticons made out of parts of Optimus Prime in one episode? The answer is Lion-O. Yet Lion-O is just a basic re-issue of the Mattel figure with the same incorrect proportions and wrong height to the other figure but cames with a few pointless accessories most people will never bother using. While the wierd alligator robot is made with 100% new tooling they can't really re-use for any other chatracter at all.

Super 7 have and can produce amazing figures but they need to be improve their quality standards and considering the price of their products more people should be making them earn their money by releasing top quality products rather than just being grateful for any product and saying they are amazing just becasue they want the line to continue or becasue they et the figures for free.

I watched the Toyaddict36 vid and it was very refreshing to see someone quiz Brian a bit on what exactly they're doing, the reasons behind certain decision and Super 7's though process in general. Brian clearly stated that they are going for show accurate with a few nods to the LJN figures here or there, and that colours are never meant to represent the LJN figure. This is the standard I have been holding them to with every critique I have made, as has Mark, yet we are shot down for negativity. They cannot make a Liono that is accurate without redoing the torso, fact, stating this is not negative, it's just what needs to be done to fit the objective stated by Brian. It's a shame they aren't doing it for the red Lion-O variant since they are updating some of the other tooling. From the sounds of it in the interview I think they might address this at a later date but these incemental fixes to the main character should have been dealt with from day 1.

If a detail is not accurate to either the animation or the LJN counterpart it shoud be mentioned, by the standard Brian has set, it is incorrect. Mark mentioned Mandora looks spot on apart from her visor, I'd hope they will address this, their goal is show accurate since it can't be a nod to an LJN figure.

Colour wise, is disheartening to hear him say colours change from screen grab to screen grab, this means they are using inaccurate reference. The colours for the show are the animation cels. If they ever remaster the show properly everyone will have to get used to the fact that how they are used to seeing the characters is not the original intent of the show designers, but limitations of the days technology. There are some episodes that are actually, fortunately, quite accurate, most not so much. They should take the time to make sure their reference is right. Go and watch Totem of Dera on the PAL boxed set. The only episode struck from a HD master and the colours and detail are astounding, very cel accurate.

Scale wise, it's nice to even hear that raised as a point since I didn't think it was a concern for them, but it sounds like they are using it in terms of, this guy should be big, this guy is small, and not making them accurate to how they should scale to one another as a group. Shame.

Sebastian, I think I see now why you how zero objectivity, will contradict things you already said and continually move goal posts when asked about details concerning these figures. You've gone from seeing a line of figures you were desparate to succeed go down the pan, to "fighting for the line" when it looked dead, to having a direct contact to the guy who resurrected the line. You've been made a mod on the forum and are chumming it up with people who get figures early. You are so scared for this thing to not fail again or lose your position at the table that anything not overtly positive you see as a threat to all these things. I hope you can see that Brian has now clearly stated the parameters for the line and also that he is fine with being asked the tough questions. He has stated they are in it for the long haul and only by reviewing and giving feedback on all their announcements can we hope to help them achieve their stated goal of "show accurate". Not in the vein of, reminiscent of, or sort of reminds me if I look at sideways, but show accurate (with the occassional LJN nod).

"Mark M, post: 134256, member: 5058" said:

It's not about anyone having to agree, it's an absolute fact there have been mistakes in every wave. And that's in both prototype and production!
That is why 4 Horsemen have had to de-do sculpts and Super 7 have "allgedly" had so many delays and even had to issue "booster" repair packs.
In the lastest wave of figures that went up for pre-order they had correct Hammerhand's trunks which were the wrong colour. And Vultureman looks massive compared to everyone else.
It's also why Wave 2 and Cheetara are delayed.

I would also just like to correct you on Lynxo's feet. They are not toy inspired they are just wrong. In the cartoon Lynxo looks to be wearing a type of Jika-tabi footwear and the vintage LJN toy has some sculpted detail to simulate that look. Granted the sculpt is rather subtle and not as defined as it really should be but the detail is still sculpted o his feet. The use of the wrong feet is just laziness or a mistake...much like his odd proportions and shoulder placement.

As for Lion-O's clawshield, the awful Mattel fur sculpted clawshield wasn't toy inspired as it lacked the smoooth area like the vintage toy. It was just an awful design making the clawshield furry that some people have been doing since the awful WildStorm comics. If they were going to taking any inspiration form the LJN toy they should have sculpted it in proportion instead of being so oversized.

It's great you fought to get the line brought back but you really have to understand that while you may be happy enough with them, some fans have higher standards and so far the majority of these figures really are not up to some peoples standards, especially at the price Super 7 is charging for these figures which people have the "privilege" of buying.
While it's cool the line was brought back, it's a real shame that Super 7 were the company to bring it back as so far they have done a pretty subpar job on the majority of the figures they have released, from odd design choices, out of proportion bucks, wrong colours, numerous quality control issues and delays. Which is a real shame as Brian seems a cool guy. But it's quite frustrating to see what they are doing with Thundercats when they are putting so much more effort into the other Ultimates lines....except for maybe Conan, those figures are a mess.
For example who is more popular and iconic character, Lion-O or that weird alligator robot the Decepticons made out of parts of Optimus Prime in one episode? The answer is Lion-O. Yet Lion-O is just a basic re-issue of the Mattel figure with the same incorrect proportions and wrong height to the other figure but cames with a few pointless accessories most people will never bother using. While the wierd alligator robot is made with 100% new tooling they can't really re-use for any other chatracter at all.

Super 7 have and can produce amazing figures but they need to be improve their quality standards and considering the price of their products more people should be making them earn their money by releasing top quality products rather than just being grateful for any product and saying they are amazing just becasue they want the line to continue or becasue they et the figures for free.

I take note of your feelings on this. You have valid points. I don’t neccesarily agree with you on everything and that’s ok.

I am in the minority here in my perceptions and feelings on the line and will step back and no longer engage on the subject. There’s no need to “defend” my opinions. I’ll move along and keep the peace and buy the toys I love and talk about them with likeminded friends.
:snarf

"Sebastiaan, post: 134258, member: 25673" said:

I take note of your feelings on this. You have valid points. I don’t neccesarily agree with you on everything and that’s ok.

I am in the minority here in my perceptions and feelings on the line and will step back and no longer engage on the subject. There’s no need to “defend” my opinions. I’ll move along and keep the peace and buy the toys I love and talk about them with likeminded friends.
:snarf

You don't need to keep defending your opinion. This is a forum for people that love Thundercats to state opinions on the products. Stating that something is outright wrong and inaccurate is the only way people can let Super 7 know the issues so they can improve on and create better products. :)

If it weren't for online forums Mattel would probably have never improved upon the issues that hindered Jakks Pacific WWE toyline all they years they had the licence. The biggest issue specifically was the scale and size of the figures. They actually made figures of people that were various height all basically the same and in some cases people that were a lot shorter had figures that were significantly bigger than other figures. That was the main thing Mattel listened to when they took over the line and had proper scaling for all the characters.
Even recently with Hasbro's G.I. Joe Classified line. The vast majority of fans really disliked the Fortnite style armour and weapons on all the figures and they did away with the that and went to more vintage toy inspired looks and are now able to offer far superior products to the fans.

Personally, I'm not a big Mandora fan but this figure looks cool. Think there will be anything more revealed beyond her and the bike? I'm spoiled and rushing things, I know haha.

Brace yourselves for Mandora and her Electro Chaser pre-order dropping tomorrow!

"Sebastiaan, post: 134231, member: 25673" said:

The negativity on here is exhausting. Instead of celebrating what S7 is doing, in their own way and style, there are constant complaints about figures not being to others’ liking or according to certain specified 100% cartoon accuracy. I actually left He-Man.org because of people who constantly complained. I bet the same happened here before. Collectors are welcome to their opinions to improve figures. What’s happening here, according to me personally (and not speaking as an admin but as a collector first), is insult after insult. S7 is not delivering your preferences so the outcome is vile and degrading comments. We are all welcome to completely disagree, respectfully, but what I see on here is beyond that. And it is very off-putting sadly.
I’m loving the Mandora figure. We finally have her in plastic form and I think 4HM’s interpretation is wonderful and in line with what they want to achieve. Which is: figures that are cartoon inspired/resembled with aspects of the LJN line included/mixed in here and there. Like hybrid of both versions. That is why it is not 100% accurate either way, and until that isn’t understood what S7 makes will remain confusing/unacceptable/weird/wrong etc to those who expect replicas of the cartoon.

Can you show me where the accuracy negativity posts are here in this forum?

Also, how come I don't hear 'negativity' for their other Ultimates line like TMNT or even the Disney characters?

"heero_yuy2, post: 134266, member: 27781" said:

Can you show me where the accuracy negativity posts are here in this forum?

Also, how come I don't hear 'negativity' for their other Ultimates line like TMNT or even the Disney characters?

We are trying to keep this thread on track now. Please lets not go backward as that conversation has taken place and moved on.

The preorder for Mandora (herself, a separate bike, and set) is up.

https://preorder.super7store.com/collections/thundercats-ultimates-wave-5-5

Mandora is looking pretty great. Price on the bike is a little steep for me, probably just going to go with the figure. The bike gives me hope that we may get a Mutant Nose Diver eventually. I'd be willing to drop the coin on that. Exciting to see this line continuing to expand in unexpected directions!

The bike looks great but they really should fix Mandora's helmet, then it would look perfect.

"heero_yuy2, post: 134270, member: 27781" said:

The preorder for Mandora (herself, a separate bike, and set) is up.

https://preorder.super7store.com/collections/thundercats-ultimates-wave-5-5

Buying the set is just the same price as buying the bike and figure. :laugh

"Alluro Fan, post: 134148, member: 25551" said:

It'll be a wave 6 pre-order while we're all still waiting for waves 2 and 4.

Sadly, I was right. More preorders.

Price seems right on to me. 1/6 hot toys rotj speeder bike w/ scout - $505. 1/12 super7 electro charger w/ mandora - $202.
But thank goodness i can pass. Toys is expensive everywhere and there are too many.

Annnnnd preordered at BBTS. Bike looks wonderful and they have both seats which is great. The helmet is fine, the details are there even if they proportions aren't exact.

Price is high but at this point I'm all in on this line. Mandora and her cruiser!

"Cheetoro, post: 134278, member: 26134" said:

The helmet is fine, the details are there....

Not really considering the detail above the visor is completely wrong.

What's the story with the forst 2 heads? They look the same. Isn't the ponytail articulated?

"Booshman, post: 134280, member: 25641" said:

What's the story with the forst 2 heads? They look the same. Isn't the ponytail articulated?

The first two faces are the same but one has wind swept hair

I'll get Mandora; I'm back and forth on the bike. It does look cool; maybe if there is a video it will give me that extra push.

The less stuff coming this year the more likely I am to order things I am on the fence about like the electro-charger. This is Q1 2023 and presumably the next release for Thundercats after the stuff we know? So for 2022 are we looking at - wave 2 & 4 are on the boat (so soon), then Cheetara (Q3?), then Wave 5 (Q4) and probably the Thundertank (July-Dec?)?