Cosmocats pictures

Hello team,

I wanted to inform you that Tokyonever e-mailed me today concerning the superb Cosmocats Pictures he recently uploaded.
I had asked him to share his rare Cosmocats toys on our Collector's Showcase but he replied to me that they weren't his and they belonged to someone else, named Keyzeryom from another forum. However, he contacted Keyzeryom to politely ask him if we could use the Cosmocats pictures on our site and the guy was positive. Here is the e-mail i received by Tokyonever:


'Hi Lordore, I just asked at "Keyzeryom" if you can use all the pictures that I posted on the forum for your showcase website and he's Ok ;)

Just quote him at source of these pictures.

Have a nice day, best regards.'


So what do you think? I consider a Cosmocats addition of this scale and magnitude deserves its own place on a separate Section. i've never seen such an extensive Cosmocats collection including figures and vehicles before. I strongly believe we should incorporate the shots somewhere.
Maybe on the 'Distribution Overseas' article? Also, Tokyonever provided some useful information that could enrich our Toyline guide as well, about the Thundercats distributor in France, 'Orli Jouet'.

I believe you have read the corresponding thread,but just in case:
http://www.thundercatslair.org/forums/showthread.php?t=6781

i dont think they need a separate section outside of the foreign release section/overseas. Yeah thats a big collection but there on par with every other foreign produced fig. I dont think we should just give specific releases there own section, but have all them in one spot.

Chris here...

IIRC there's a whole Foreign Figures gallery that still needs porting over from the old site, I think the pieces featured are mostly Neil's and MannyC's - we could have expanded that sub-section to include all these CosmoCats pieces maybe? :)

Take care... :)

"matt, post: 39271" said:

i dont think they need a separate section outside of the foreign release section/overseas. Yeah thats a big collection but there on par with every other foreign produced fig. I dont think we should just give specific releases there own section, but have all them in one spot.

Ok i agree, of course MannyC and the rest have to say what they think too.
But who will undertake to do it?
If you want me i could transfer the pictures and write a small analysis.
I think it would be a valuable addition.


Just keep us updated!!

Best
orestes

If you want to put something detailed together Lordore, on these new items, I'd be happy to put it up on the main site :)

I did start a gallery section, hoping to cover every carded figure released outside of the USA, but I never got too far with it. What Chris is referring to is the beginning of that project :oops:

What you want to do sounds much better! Perhaps we could use the same template as with the main LJN toys and make a mini toy guide to cover all the releases outside the USA? :)

"He-Fan, post: 39272" said:

I think the pieces featured are mostly Neil's and MannyC's - we could have expanded that sub-section to include all these CosmoCats pieces maybe? :)

Some were from my collection, while the rest were donated pics either from other collectors or sellers.

Chris here...

It would be amazing to see our Foreign Figures area back online and expanded to include these fantastic pieces - thanks so much for your help with these, Lordore! :thumbsup:

At the moment the Foreign Figures gallery is set to return as a sub-section of the Toy Overview section here: http://www.thundercatslair.org/toys-main/ljn/toy-overview/ (scroll down to below the "Features" header).

However - given that there now looks to be a ton of new material coming for this section, I'd like to propose that this gets "promoted" to a sub-section of its own within the LJN Toy Guide area - i.e., it gets added alongside the sections you see here: http://www.thundercatslair.org/toys-main/ljn/ . :)

The "Distribution Overseas" article could then be moved into there, and there could be a mini-toy guide for each of the foreign figure releases we're able to track down, including these lovely CosmoCats pieces! :) There could either be separate toy guides for each set of foreign releases (e.g., a toy guide for Playful, another toy guide for Glasslite, etc., etc.), or one great big toy guide for all the foreign figures we're able to get pics of! :)

My reasoning behind this is that if this expanded foreign figures gallery gets swallowed up into the Toy Overview subsection its likely to get a bit "buried" - whereas this way, it keeps it all easy to find for collectors! :)

As with all things Toys-related, the final word on this goes to Neil, MannyC and Matt - what do you guys think about what I'm proposing above? :) If it sounds OK to you, I can jump on it ASAP and get an index page and the relevant templates put together for you guys to use - LMK what you think! :)

Take care... :)

It's my pleasure guys!! thanks a lot

I believe now is the right time, before the new Series starts airing, to jump at the opportunity and use the latest resources we got by our members to update and expand our Toy guide.

I suggest we add the info for ''Orli Jouet'' and AL.ES at the 'Distribution Overseas' Article. Along with Rainbow, these where the three main Companies that produced Thundercats in Europe. The french cardbacks have a unique beauty and their inclusion to the Site's guide is valuable. I am not sure about the Spanish versions though and who might own some.All these additions are to the benefit of TCL and will make the Toy Guide much richer!!

Tokyonever provided us with a very interesting backstory about the history of Cosmocats. Robimus Prime and me have some pieces of the Italian/LJN thundercats Toys and we could use our pictures too.

Now, if you don't want to break it down to too many separate subsections we could add the Cosmocats as well as the AL.ES Thundercats photos in the 'Foreign Figures'.

I think Chri's propositions could be implemented and are very good, i am suggesting something similar but i thought of not dividing it to a plethora of sub-sections because i know you already have a hard time transferring data! the information will be on 'Distribution Overseas' and the pictures in the 'Foreign figures'.


Neil, MannyC and Matt have the last word of course!! I'd love to help you guys on this one as much as possible but i fully understand and respect the hierarchy of assigning actions.

Best regards,


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I've e-mailed Tokyonever to ask her if she has any other info available concerning the French Company which produced Thundercats, but was never credited for, 'Orli Jouet'. I am trying to find resources on AL.ES on the net as well. If you guys agree i will write a small paragraph analyzing these two European Toy companies and their take on Thundercats. For some reasons i can't find much on the internet but i am on the prowl!!

Chris here...

"Lordore, post: 39651" said:

I believe now is the right time, before the new Series starts airing, to jump at the opportunity and use the latest resources we got by our members to update and expand our Toy guide.

I definitely agree - once the new series hits, it's going to be full steam ahead adding info on the new stuff! :)

"Lordore, post: 39651" said:

Now, if you don't want to break it down to too many separate subsections we could add the Cosmocats as well as the AL.ES Thundercats photos in the 'Foreign Figures'.

I think Chri's propositions could be implemented and are very good, i am suggesting something similar but i thought of not dividing it to a plethora of sub-sections because i know you already have a hard time transferring data! the information will be on 'Distribution Overseas' and the pictures in the 'Foreign figures'.

How's about something along the lines of our Kidworks & Foreign Mini-Figures page - so, in the case of the foreign figures, have one index page for all of them with the sub-category headers for each country's / company's releases. This is our mini-figures page that shows a good working example of this type of concept: http://www.thundercatslair.org/toys-main/kidworks-foreign-mini-figures/ . :)

Take care... :)

I think if it gets broken down too much ie a ton of different sections people might get overwhelmed with the amount of sections, but if there is a general Non LJN release section that can incorporate all the different foreign releases. While maybe inside that section certain lines can have more focus on them.


i have a pretty decent foreign collection and a ton of pics, and a few pieces on the way. Chris will get all these once I actually get done naming all the pics, so those will help build the foreign section as well

"He-Fan, post: 39661" said:

How's about something along the lines of our Kidworks & Foreign Mini-Figures page - so, in the case of the foreign figures, have one index page for all of them with the sub-category headers for each country's / company's releases. This is our mini-figures page that shows a good working example of this type of concept: http://www.thundercatslair.org/toys-main/kidworks-foreign-mini-figures/ . :)

Take care... :)

that would be wonderful!! this is how i envisioned it

Tokyonever has provided me with a few more info about the cosmocats release, and Orli Jouet. i'll write a few things down and will post them here shortly to tell me what you think guys.

Chris here...

Awesome stuff, Lordore! :)

Neil, MannyC, what do you guys think about what's being mooted about here? If you guys are cool with all this I'm very happy to make a start on trying to put it together, so if you could LMK ASAP that would be awesome - many thanks! :)

Take care... :)

I'll have it by Friday the latest. Just let us know what the rest of you guys think and if we should start it

Sorry for the delay in responding, I must say though that Im 100% behind what has been discussed here. Sadly though I wont be able to contribute much in the sense of making pages, etc but between Neil and Chris this could at least get started.

Without going too much into details and boring you guys with my lates happenings I have started my college courses again and my current one proves to me a very tough course...lets just say the name of the course is named Quantitative Reasoning. On top of that I have about a month or so at my current job and will be doing a lot of community outprocessing in preparation to my impending move. Just so you guys know I will be very busy within the next month and starting the week of the 23rd May my time on the site will probably be limited to posting briefly on the forums. On June 9th I will be taking a 2 week vacation to see my dad in PR and once i come back I will be living at my inlaws until we obtain base housing again.

During the next 2-3 months I ask moderators to maintain a close eye on the forums as you guys have awesomely done.

Chris and Neil: Both of you do have forum admin access. I ask that you guys keep a look out on the Usergroups, especially the ones named Users Awaiting Email Confirmation and Board Members. There is a prune/move feature under the Users tab on the left side. There is options on viewing all the users according to different areas and iIf there is a suspicious username/email it is best to delete them.

If you need help with this feature let me know I'll guide you throught it. Unfortunately it is not a feature available to MOderators (or Super Moderators) so the pruning will have to be done by an admin

Thanks guys for understanding

I'm ok with all the ideas as they sound great, but I think we need to get a Merchandise index page up first if I'm being honest. A lot of new content is not accessible for this reason :(

In the meantime, if Lordore gathers all the stuff together, including edited pics, then I'm more than happy to create the pages :)

Manny: Sent you a pm as I don't have full access, just super mod access I think.

EDIT: Think I know why....you need to remove me from the 'Super Moderator' usergroup.

"blackiecats, post: 40042" said:

In the meantime, if Lordore gathers all the stuff together, including edited pics, then I'm more than happy to create the pages :)

It will be done guys, I promise you within the next 3 days you will have the full stuff.

Sorry to hear about Manny's absence for some time..

Chris here...

"blackiecats, post: 40042" said:

I'm ok with all the ideas as they sound great, but I think we need to get a Merchandise index page up first if I'm being honest. A lot of new content is not accessible for this reason :(

Slightly off-topic, but just wanted to thank Neil for reminding me that I'd forgotten I hadn't finished this - the Classic 1980s Merchandise section is now up-and-running on the site! :)

http://www.thundercatslair.org/collectibles/classic-1980s-merchandise/ :)

"blackiecats, post: 40042" said:

In the meantime, if Lordore gathers all the stuff together, including edited pics, then I'm more than happy to create the pages :)

That's awesome, Neil - maybe the best thing would be for me to put together a template and you guys run with that, then all that would remain for me to do would be to put together a simple index page after you've completed all the pages - what do you think? :)

Also, are you cool with the idea of giving Foreign Figures its own sub-section within the LJN area - i.e., so that it has its own image hyperlink on this page: http://www.thundercatslair.org/toys-main/ljn/ ? I personally feel quite strongly that this would be better if we've got so much material coming down the pipe, rather than having it buried in the Toy Overview area, but it's entirely down to you and the others in charge of the Toy Section, just LMK what you think, my friend! :)

Thanks again to Lordore for everything you're doing too, great stuff and thanks so much for your support of the site! :thumbsup:

Take care... :)

[FONT=Verdana]Thundercats were received with open arms in France during the 80s and made a big splash as well as in other countries across the world. However, the French Toyline featured two main differences. First of all, ‘Orli Jouet’ the French distributor, changed most of the protagonists names along with the Thundercats logo to a more ’’Frenchies’’ wiring sound form.Instead of the regular ‘’Thundercats’’, the ‘’Cosmocats’’ logo was printed on top of the packaging. Lion-o was translated to Starlion, Cheetara to Felibelle, Panthro to Panthéro. Mumm-ra’s name remained the same, whereas the Mutants, Slythe,Jackalman and Monkian were converted to Krolor, Shakal and Gorior respectively. It looks like in France it was very important to have the names sounding less English and more ‘’Frenchies’’ in order to make them accessible to the fans. The same exact pattern was used for the French MOTU Toyline. All the Thundercats figures sold in France were identical to the ones in US without any variations or discrepancies on their molds. They received the figures loose and then they were packaged directly in France. The second difference is despite the fact that they were manufactured by the American LJN, the LJN logo doesn’t appear nowhere on the majority of Series 1 and 2 Cosmocats cards. It is kind of weird because even though they were produced by LJN, it seems the American counterpart didn’t have legal representation in France, unlike on the other European releases in Italy, Holland and UK where the LJN logo always appeared. The license was granted to ‘’Orli Jouet’’ and ‘’Orli Jouet’ was working with a little company to print the French packaging. However, some of the late Series 2 Cosmocats such as the Berserkers and the Companions did have LJN branded cards with a French sticker on them. Additionally, Lion-O and Mumm-ra must have been the only Thundercats figures released on 8-backs. The paradox is that the rest of the characters, although they were coming with a full black background on their cards, they weren’t 8-backs. [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]
[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Another puzzling point is the total absence of Orli Jouet’s logo on the French cards, strangely the French distributor doesn’t appear on the Cosmocats but only the Italian AL.ES one. AL.ES was the official importer for a part of the Southern Europe and the French company was working closely with Italy to supply Toylines like Thundercats on the French retailers. In 1988 LJN acquired the Italian Toy company AL.ES, so most likely LJN was represented through AL/ES and probably this explains why the LJN stamp doesn’t exist on the French packaging. Orli Jouet isn’t active anymore but back in the 80s provided the French market with plenty famous Toylines like the Blackstar, Golden Girl, Infaceables as well as Board games, Disney stuff and Japanese toys. Generally, Orli Jouet’s logo was always on various French Toys but it is still a mystery why it was never printed on the Cosmocats figures.



[FONT=Arial]-Just finished writing about Cosmocats guys, take a look and tell me what you think and please feel free to make any corrections or additions. I tired to find as many info as possible on Orli Jouet but many archives are destroyed and the INTERNET doesn't say much.[/FONT]
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That sounds like a good synopsis. However I just want to interject one thing. I think that possibly the other characters all had standard 8 back card backs. I could be wrong as I never knew any of this until now. All I am basing this on is I have a moc Cosmocats Tuska and that has the standard 8 back card back. That's my two sense. Aside from my meddling two sense that I have no basis in except one figure, that sounds very informative and will be a great asset to other collectors out there.

"matt, post: 40345" said:

That sounds like a good synopsis. However I just want to interject one thing. I think that possibly the other characters all had standard 8 back card backs. I could be wrong as I never knew any of this until now. All I am basing this on is I have a moc Cosmocats Tuska and that has the standard 8 back card back. That's my two sense. Aside from my meddling two sense that I have no basis in except one figure, that sounds very informative and will be a great asset to other collectors out there.

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Thanks for the kind words matt, about your point, it had me thinking too here is a quote from Tokyonever conceerning the 8backs on a previous post :

''I was just thinking, you are speaking about the cards with full black backgrounds behind the characters, right? (like the 8_back US cards?).

About that I can confirm that they are not 8_back on the back (excepted for all the first wave probably like the french Mumm-Ra back) but for the second wave, they are not for sure.
ALL the french cards were coming with full black background behind each figures excepted Lion-O and Mumm-Ra + companions.''


Anyway i will ask him once again, to corroborate it.

Sorry for the late reply but i still haven't got word from Tokyonever or Keyzeyrom.

As soon as they e-mail me i will let you know