Super 7 Should Reboot Thundercats Classics.

"catgurl, post: 118807, member: 25636" said:

Why should one HAVE to accept QC issues and scale problems? QUOTE]
One should most certainly not accept it. I do think a lot of people sent their poor versions of Lion-O etc back. The biggest problem I fear however is the attitude from Mattel about QC. Sure, QC isn't specific to toys - I mean, buy a brand new car and you may have problems with it even if its form a world renowned brand. That is what I meant with QC being part of the package. It will always be there - no matter what you buy. But you are very right - with it being a small line in comparison to something like cars, there should've been better QC. Sadly there wasn't. I am however thrilled to hear that Brian Flynn talked about how they handle the new MOTUC line (and the soon-to-be-hopefully TC line) - with them being smaller they are a bit more focussed. As he said, MOTUC was a hobby / parttime thing for Mattel. This is now their full time job (amongst the other toylines).

PS: Booshman - don't forget to show us the progress of Lynx-O. I agree with Catgurl, your work is fab.

"Sebastiaan, post: 118820, member: 25673" said:

One should most certainly not accept it. I do think a lot of people sent their poor versions of Lion-O etc back. The biggest problem I fear however is the attitude from Mattel about QC. Sure, QC isn't specific to toys - I mean, buy a brand new car and you may have problems with it even if its form a world renowned brand. That is what I meant with QC being part of the package. It will always be there - no matter what you buy. But you are very right - with it being a small line in comparison to something like cars, there should've been better QC. Sadly there wasn't. I am however thrilled to hear that Brian Flynn talked about how they handle the new MOTUC line (and the soon-to-be-hopefully TC line) - with them being smaller they are a bit more focussed. As he said, MOTUC was a hobby / parttime thing for Mattel. This is now their full time job (amongst the other toylines).

PS: Booshman - don't forget to show us the progress of Lynx-O. I agree with Catgurl, your work is fab.

"catgurl, post: 118822, member: 25636" said:

Whenever I point this out, Mattet fans' defense is that you can always return the figure and Mattel will replace it. That is not the issue. The issue is why are there so many QC problems in the first place?

"catgurl, post: 118822, member: 25636" said:

Firstly, I have to thank you for being an adult and responding like one. Usually whenever I point out any of Mattel's flaws, a few thin-skinned folks attack me like little kids. It is nice to actually have a civilized discussion with someone like you. :)

I totally get your point and your love for the Mattel figures. As far as sculpting and design go, they are definitely the most cartoon accurate Thundercats figures produced so far. The Mattel Lion-O is in my opinion better looking than LJN, Bandai, and Mezco Lion-Os. Even the other figures are very cartoon accurate. I too love their look. Pumyra is a little tall and Jackalman is a little bulky, but that's not a really big issue.

My gripe is the QC. You are right that every product will have some QC issues. But we are talking about a few 100 defective products in a production of a 1,000,000. We are talking about a percentage of 0.01% defective. That is totally acceptable. But when we come to the Mattel figures, they are made in a much smaller quantity and yet the figures with QC issues are far too many. Whenever I point this out, Mattet fans' defense is that you can always return the figure and Mattel will replace it. That is not the issue. The issue is why are there so many QC problems in the first place?

Every second review I see of the Mattel Lion-O and WilyKat, the reviewers point out the bad paint application, scratches, stains of different colors, dents. These shouldn't be there. And most of these QC issues are just because of plain laziness. I'm not talking about Pumyra's height or Jackalman's bulkiness. These are how they were designed, and while not ideal, I don't mind them as much. But painting the figures sloppily is laziness. Poor grammar and errors in the bio is laziness.

If buyers have to pray before opening their figure, fearing that they might have to return the figures due to QC problems, then that doesn't paint a good image of Mattel.

"Sebastiaan, post: 118835, member: 25673" said:

It's a pleasure Catgurl. :thumbsup
On subject though, like Mark said, living abroad is very often the reason most of us shut up about it. Plus knowing that Matty shut down has meant for many others that their QC returns were refunded instead of replaced. Sad, very sad. I do however hope and think that S7 will be different. It seems like it at least so far.

(And don't get me started on those bios. Some of them were really poor. Shocking to say the least.)

"Cheetoro, post: 118827, member: 26134" said:

Hopefully whatever comes next is better, at least in the business aspects. I agree that with high prices should come high expectations. With subscriptions should come benefits. I think there is too much hyperbole both ways. While the sky is not falling here, at the same time there are valid criticisms to be had and they are constructive. We will not live in a society of alternative facts, because there is no other way forward. I definitely like what I see from Super 7 so far.

While I wouldn't mind seeing things redone as Pumyra's scale, Lion-O's build, and Wilykat's sleeve do bother me, and the articulation of these figures is not even as good as the Bandai ones, they are close enough that if it was going to be questionable again on whether we would get a full, well flushed out line, then I would rather just continue on from here.

Considering that we don't even know if they line will continue yet, I wouldn't want to get greedy at this point. I think their best best is to find a middle ground on new figures where they are improved but not to the point where they make this first run seem out of place.

"Mark M, post: 118837, member: 5058" said:

From what I know and have heard of Super 7 it seems everyone dealing with them will have a far better experience than dealing with Matty Collector.

"catgurl, post: 118839, member: 25636" said:

At this moment there is no point in re-making the same figures (Lion-O, Pumyra etc.) because pretty much everybody who collects TC toys has already bough the Mattel figures whether they liked them or not. Maybe later down the line, they could release "fixed" versions of these figures, maybe included together with a vehicle or playset.

That would be very good. I hope S7 handles the TC line with the respect that it deserves.

"Cheetoro, post: 118852, member: 26134" said:

Wouldn't it be cool if Toonami on Cartoon Network starting showing the classic ThunderCats cartoon again for awhile? I find it ironic that Warner Bros. would be so fickle about licensing this out while making zero effort themselves to keep this great brand relevant.

"Cheetoro, post: 118852, member: 26134" said:

Wouldn't it be cool if Toonami on Cartoon Network starting showing the classic ThunderCats cartoon again for awhile? I find it ironic that Warner Bros. would be so fickle about licensing this out while making zero effort themselves to keep this great brand relevant.

"Mark M, post: 118856, member: 5058" said:

I don't think the issue was them being fickle. Just greedy wanting more than what the licence was really worth. Over the last 10+ years a few companies approached Mattel to make Thundercats figures based on the old cartoon but could not agree on a deal due to what WB were asking for the licence.

"Berserker, post: 118905, member: 25550" said:

Which is so absurd from a business standpoint because you have a license based on a show and toyline from the 80's that is almost entirely based on nostalgia. I would think they'd want to take advantage of that and make the license easier to get. At least it seems they've softened there stance but man so many missed opportunities to get Thundercats stuff out there to the fans.