ROCKS 11C: Spiral Zone second half highlights

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#1
WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE FIRST DISCUSSION IN THE ELEVENTH STRAND OF "R.O.C.K.S." - REWATCHING OLD CLASSIC KIDS SHOWS!
A big thanks to everyone that are joining us through all of this. It’s going to be an enjoyable ride!

This set of threads will focus on an obscure 80s cartoon, "Spiral Zone". Don't worry if you haven't heard of it, I only saw two episodes of it back in the day.

This week we're watching some picks from the second half of the series:

- Duchess Treat
- Assault On The Rock
- Brother's Keeper
- Zone Of Fear

Just a friendly reminder to everyone that, whilst fans are obviously welcome to passionately discuss and give their views on these episodes, please remember to keep things on a friendly footing and respect your fellow posters.
Also, please do not post where or how to find the full episode online. And do not post asking others to PM it to you. You are however allowed to watch the show in whatever manner you want.
#2
These episodes were brilliant.
Spoiler alert.
Duchess Treat had me really believing Duchess was switching sides and I was actually a bit disappointed when it turned out to just be part of Overlord's plan.
Assault on the Rock was a great episode was like Liam said quite similar to The Guns of Navaroe.
Brother Keeper had the heroes using some questionable tactics that really helped build the character of Bandit.
Zone of Fear was probably my favourite of the selection. I especially liked how Overlord respected Courage even though they were enemies and it was cool how Courage faced his biggest fear by allowing him self to be zoned so that he could destroy the Zone generator.
I don't know if it's because I have become more familiar with the characters or the strength of this weeks episodes but I will definitely watch some more episodes of this series.

I will say though that I still find the names and character and vehicle designs really bland. If this show had had better designs and incorporated a better toy line I think this would have been one of the greatest 80's cartoons/toy lines.

Perhaps Spiral Zone should get a reboot with a new cartoon or live action series or movie.
#3
Spiral Zone, I've said before, was a really great premise but which got mistreated by the executives. The show had some really great episodes. If the characters had been a bit more distinctive, and the vehicles hadn't been so stupid, this could have been a true classic. A remake of this show, if it addressed the problems of the original, would be out of this world.

Duchess Treat
This is a really clever episode, because if you think about it, this one ends with the bad guys winning - bigtime. It wasn't part one of a two-parter, this was, apart from being a sort of follow-up to "The Man Who Wouldn't Be King" which we looked at last week, a standalone episode. Incidentally, it was because of this episode that I had to include "The Man Who Wouldn't Be King" last week! It's clever because Overlord's plan is kept a secret from literally everyone, even the Black Widows, apart from Duchess Dire of course. This episode is one of the main reasons why I rate Overlord as one of the all-time great cartoon villains. He actually gets to win once in a while, not many villains can claim that!

Assault On The Rock
Anyone who's read the book or seen the film "The Guns Of Navarone" will recognise that this episode is basically ripping off the premise of the Alistair MacLean classic. We have two great cannons terrorising the Mediterranean on an almost impregnable island base. The only way to take out those guns is to climb the south cliff . . . yeah, that's "The Guns Of Navarone" all right.
This is actually another episode where Overlord could be said to have made gains overall. Sure, his guns of Navarone get destroyed in the end, but not before he had zoned vast chunks of western Europe/Africa, those zones are still in place.
Also the character of Ned is well-suited to the anti-sexism moral of this episode - considering that he is a bit on the macho side. Possibly because they were trying to make him into Crocodile Dundee, I don't know.

Brother's Keeper
This time it's Bandit who takes centre stage, and the Zone Riders use his love for his brother to trick him into releasing the doctor they need from the zone. Normally in cartoons whenever the good guys try a sneaky plan like this it backfires spectacularly - Thundercats' "Eye Of The Beholder" for example. But not here. You do feel kind of sorry for Bandit in a way. It's also good how both sides echo the same sentiment, about how they never thought they'd be rooting for the opposition. Max says he never thought he'd be hoping Bandit made it, while Bandit says he never thought he'd be glad to see the Zone Riders. Curiously, the doctor here looks identical to the doctor in an earlier episode "A Little Zone Music" which reminds me of another Alistair MacLean book & film, "Where Eagles Dare". They obviously needed to economise on the animation so reused the same design.

Zone Of Fear
I think this one was actually one of the two I saw in Spain back in the 80s.
With a little tweak to the ending, this episode would have made a great series finale. As it is, it's still one of the best episodes of the series. It's certainly the best character focus that Courage got in the series. Facing his greatest fear in order to do what must be done. Usually this moral is given to one of the lesser character, the younger, weaker or more inexperienced ones. Think "Snarf Takes Up The Challenge" in Thundercats, "The Sleeper Awakes" in Defenders Of The Earth, "The Good, The Bad And The Clumsy" in BraveStarr, "Assault On Castle Morgana" in King Arthur And The Knights Of Justice, and "Feryl Steps Out" in Visionaries. With this series, the natural character for this moral lesson would have been Franklin, but instead they did the exact opposite and gave it to Courage. Courage facing his fear . . . yeah, I get the wordplay. The lesson is also done subtly, because unlike most of the other examples I listed, it's not the primary focus of the story.
I noticed a while back that Overlord told Rawmeat to treat the captured Courage with more respect, as he was a worthy enemy. What I only noticed when I saw it yesterday was that at no point does Overlord gloat, even though he believes he's won the day at last, he isn't laughing, smirking or punching the air at all. He is driven by an ideology that actually has a measure of validity. I forget which episode it is, but somewhere in the series it is explained that he has created the zone to put an end to war. While you can call his methods into question, his motivation is perfectly sound. I say again, Overlord is one of the best cartoon villains of the 80s. I wouldn't hesitate to put him in a top 5 with Mumm-Ra, Ming and Megatron, not sure who else.
#4

"LiamABC, post: 122343, member: 25438" said:

Spiral Zone, I've said before, was a really great premise but which got mistreated by the executives. The show had some really great episodes. If the characters had been a bit more distinctive, and the vehicles hadn't been so stupid, this could have been a true classic. A remake of this show, if it addressed the problems of the original, would be out of this world....I wouldn't hesitate to put him in a top 5 with Mumm-Ra, Ming and Megatron, not sure who else.

I agree 100%, with the right tweaks a remake would be amazing.
A top five list of 80's cartoon villains would be difficult. I agree with your pics but I would put Venger from D&D in the top five.
I suppose Skeletor, Cobra Commander and Shredder would be in the top ten...not sure about top five.
#5
I actually thought about Venger when I was putting the list together. He has a great menacing presence. I think I hesitated just because I'm not as well-versed on D&D as I am on the other shows.
#6
I would also definitely have Tex Hex/Stampede in my personal top five.
#7
So my top five cartoon villains would be, in order of how well-known they probably are to people on here:

Mumm-Ra (Thundercats)
Megatron (Transformers)
Venger (Dungeons & Dragons)
Ming The Merciless (Defenders Of The Earth)
Overlord (Spiral Zone)

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